Policy talk:Human Rights Policy/Archive 2

Translation tagging mistake

Around T:16 the header and the paragraph should be separated. --Base (talk) 23:13, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Base: Thank you for letting us know! --Gregory Varnum (Wikimedia Foundation) [he/him] (talk) 23:53, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@GVarnum-WMF: Please deactive the translation of the page title, translation of the page title in combination with DISPLAYTITLE gives an error at Policy:Human Rights Policy/de. Thanks, --Ameisenigel (talk) 16:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ameisenigel: I was not aware of that issue - that is a strange bug. Thank you - I will go ahead and fix that. By chance, do you know if that issue has been reported on Phabricator? --Gregory Varnum (Wikimedia Foundation) [he/him] (talk) 02:24, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I have not found a related phabricator task. --Ameisenigel (talk) 15:07, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ameisenigel: I am trying to reproduce to report on Phabricator. Can you verify if you are seeing the error on either of these pages?

• User:GVarnum-WMF/Sandbox2/de
• Policy:Test/de

Thank you! -- Gregory Varnum (Wikimedia Foundation) [he/him] (talk) 07:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@GVarnum-WMF: No error so far, but this could be because you have translated the page title and DISPLAYTITLE with the same word. If I translate a page, I would in general keep the namespace prefix and then we would have an error, I think. --Ameisenigel (talk) 08:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ameisenigel: Ah yes - now I think I see the error you are describing. I have filed a Phabricator ticket. Feel free to add more there or let me know via here if you have things you would like added but would rather not do so directly. Thank you again for pointing it out - very strange indeed. -- Gregory Varnum (Wikimedia Foundation) [he/him] (talk) 18:49, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@GVarnum-WMF: Could you seperate the header and paragraph around T:42 as well? --Ameisenigel (talk) 12:22, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Response Times/Detail

Hello,

I just sent in a set of questions by email to the two emails named, but was wanting to confirm I'd have an answer to each of those (not just the email as a whole) within 3 working days.

Also, taking a look at some of the emails through wikimedia-L, there seems to be an issue with staff needing to go and gather answers on why various things were included, or only providing answers to some of the questions. I'm confused on why the first is taking any time at all...surely you should have an extremely good knowledge, readily accessible, on why anything was included in a global policy?

Cheers,

Nosebagbear (talk) 09:59, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi @GVarnum-WMF: - I was wondering if we had an updated deadline on both these specific questions, and the myriad other questions (both process and substantive) asked in the Wikimedia-l thread, getting answered? We're now about 7 weeks after the queries were original raised, and given the unhappiness that it was imposed, without notice, without community-wide review and consultation, this needs significant exposure and discussion.

As a secondary aspect, could this be mirrored back onto meta? We do so for some of the other core policies, and the community is less likely to discuss it on Foundation than on meta. (Please ping on response, as I don't check Foundation wiki watchlist) Nosebagbear (talk) 11:15, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Nosebagbear - The Global Advocacy and Human Rights teams will be participating in an upcoming Conversation Hour with the Board of Trustees on 17 February. We'll be getting the word out on this more today and tomorrow. We're hoping to reach as many community members as possible in this forum to discuss the policy and any additional questions the community may have. Before this forum, however, we'll be publishing an updated FAQ to address the questions you and others have raised. We understand it's been some time since you reached out, and our leadership has replied in Wikimedia-l previously. Please understand that, on our end, we do want to engage with you and the rest of the community on this important policy, but we are humans too. We're juggling many demands amid the challenges COVID is having on us all. We hope you'll be able to join us on 17 February and to provide input on how the Foundation and the Board of Trustees can continue to engage the community in the coming months and year. RGaines (WMF) (talk) 16:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

s/Governance wiki/WMF Governance wiki/

It's confusing to nickname this wiki "governance wiki" – for instance in the FAQ – if it's exclusively about WMF policies. Perhaps "WMF Governance wiki"? That also would continue to work with the wmf: shorthand for interproject links. SJ + 23:16, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

@Sj: We are trying (trying being the key word) to move away from using "WMF" (except in usernames and code - as you just cannot solve the issue reasonably well everywhere...yet) as it does not translate well, is used in trademarks we do not control, is a barrier to entry for new people, is not as widely known as those of us on the inside think, promotes EuroUS language concepts, and invites a slew of other acronyms (TWF comes up increasingly often). I mention that for context of those curious - not to beat the topic down. What about "Foundation Governance Wiki"? I think most of the code has been updated to "Wikimedia Foundation Governance Wiki" for what it is worth. --Gregory Varnum (Wikimedia Foundation) [he/him] (talk) 20:30, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Interesting! 'Foundation' is a fine qualifier, this is f.wm.org after all. SJ + 04:41, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay - I will work on updating our documentation to utilize that instead. However, I should note that as you well know - what we request of 600+ people and what they actually implement on daily basis out of unintentional habits starts at a wide gap. Thank you for helping talk this through! --Gregory Varnum (Wikimedia Foundation) [he/him] (talk) 07:14, 7 January 2022 (UTC)